Auctioneer Licensing – The Debate

December 25, 2011

There are currently 27 states that require auctioneer licensing. There is another 13 states that have some form of license requirements for particular types of property or may allow for cities or counties to license auctioneers.

Just as there are many questions about auctions, there are also a lot of pros & cons in the debate concerning whether an auctioneer should be licensed and what makes one an Auctioneer.

What makes one an Auctioneer?
In most licensing states, it primarily requires anyone that calls bids at a live auction to hold an auctioneer license. Of course, there are often exceptions, such as government entities, lien holders, charities, etc. However, while one might wonder why these should be exempt, this is primarily about those that conduct auctions as a profession.

Except for a couple of states that have recently passed laws regarding online auctions, there is no requirement for someone running an Online Auction to be licensed, as they do not call bids.

So, what is it about bid calling that should require one to have a license?
One might claim that it’s to protect the buyers from those that would use a shill bidder. That wouldn’t make sense, as shill bidding can be done in an online auction, as well. Then there are those charity auctions that use a volunteer auctioneer (who doesn’t have to be licensed), who doesn’t know that the organizers are shill bidding to drive the bids up, as they justify their actions because it’s for a good cause.

The Real Reason?
In the 1970’s through the 1980’s, many state auctioneer associations started pushing to enact such laws, as they proclaimed there were unscrupulous, fly-by-night auctioneers causing all the problems. Of course, some also felt that it would make them more “professional” to proclaim they were licensed, providing them a higher level of respect for their profession.

Then there are those that proclaim this was primarily about reducing competition by putting up barriers and making it more difficult for someone wanting to pursue the profession. This raised more concerns as auctioneer associations also pushed for auction school requirements (typically 80 hours, as that was already the standard class length amongst most auction schools in the country) and then annual Continuing Education requirements, which is now required by most licensing states.

Why should an Auctioneer be licensed?
Such laws have generally been drafted under the auspice that it is to protect the public. This may raise the question, what is the public being protected from and why do they need this protection?

Auctioneers are entrusted with other people’s goods and upon the sale of those goods, they are responsible for the money received and disbursing those funds to the rightful owners. This may be a very good reason to insure that these people are protected from some that may have less than honorable intentions.

On the other hand, there are already laws that protect people from such things. However, licensing boards are given the authority to discipline such auctioneers in violation of the law. The negative is that they may have no authority to discipline anyone that is not a licensed auctioneer. So, it would still be up to the District Attorney to take action against someone acting in an unlicensed capacity… like that volunteer charity auctioneer or a self-storage manager, real estate agent, bank officer, etc., that may not fully understand auction law, although everyone thinks being an auctioneer is so easy, a caveman can do it.

Now, consider that there are many other businesses that also handle other people’s goods and money, which do not require any licensing by any regulatory board. There are people that conduct Estate Sales (this is basically a garage sale handled by someone else), Consignment Shops, Online Auctions, Charities that utilize consigned goods (items that have a minimum to be paid to the consignor, with the remainder going to the charity) and many other examples of people that sell goods for others and responsible for disbursing the funds of the sale. None of these are required to be licensed and if there is a problem, it must be handled through the civil and criminal courts.

Considering all of this, there are also other requirements under most state auctioneer laws, such as:

  • Auctioneer Name & License Number must be present on all auction advertising.
  • Auctioneers may be required to maintain a separate Escrow bank account to prevent commingling of funds with their own business funds.
  • Auctioneers may be required to post bond or in other states, they are required to pay into a “recovery fund” (which is still a bond) administered by the licensing board.
  • And these are only a FEW of the various other requirements set forth under their state’s auctioneer laws. Almost none of these are required of similar professions that handle other people’s goods or dealing with buyers of those goods.

    So, many questions still remain, such as…

  • Why should auctioneers be licensed to protect the public, when the same public face the same potential problems with those of similar professions?
  • Should other professions also be licensed and bound by similar requirements?
  • Should Online Auctions be licensed and regulated? Why not?
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    Since the only comment was off-topic, comments have been closed. I’ll leave this open for comments for a while, but please keep the comments on topic. Off-topic questions or comments will be deleted, so if anyone has questions or comments regarding other auction related matters, please use the Questions & Comments page to post those concerns. Thanks

    Auctioneer/Seller Withdraws an Item with Bids. Is It Legal?

    February 20, 2011

    terry hagen Says:

    I recently bid on an item at a live auction of a store going out of business. After many bids I was the highest bidder and the auctioneer was going to bring down the hammer. At the last second a family member told the auctioneer he felt the item would get a higher price at local dealer’s place of business. The family member then told the auctioneer to only accept a bid that was quite a bit higher than my bid. At that point I stopped bidding. The bidding had passed the reserve price. The item did not sell that day. The more I think about this the more irritated I am. Was this ethical and/or legal?

    Another great topic from one of our readers! So, Terry Hagen receives the honor of having the question answered in its own topic on the Auction Law Weblog.

    First, I must note that Terry did not state that this auction was advertised as “Absolute” and insinuated that the “bidding had passed the reserve price,” so it implies that this was an auction “With Reserve.”

    Of course, now I might ask a few questions. How did Terry know that the “bidding had passed the reserve price?” Did the auctioneer announce the reserve price? Did the auctioneer state that it had met its reserve? Do these questions really have any effect on the manner in which the auctioneer handled this? Nope!

    Of course, while sometimes it might not look good upon the auctioneer (by a misinformed buyer), in an “auction with reserve” the Seller/Auctioneer does have the right to withdraw any item, regardless of whether it has a reserve price or not. This is where most people are misinformed about auctions “with reserve.” Most people think that an “auction with reserve” means that one or more items have a minimum reserve price. However, this is FALSE.

    It really means that certain “rights” have been reserved which may be outlined in the Terms & Conditions of the auction, as well as other factors concerning the sale of the items offered, which are determined by law and not required to be specifically announced. In any case, only one of those “rights” is the right of withdrawal, which is predetermined under the law and does not require any specific announcement (remember that old phrase, “ignorance of the law is no excuse”) and the bidders are presumed to be knowledgeable and acting with such knowledge. There may be many other rights also reserved, which is why the bidders should always read the Terms & Conditions and/or listen very closely to the opening statements at an auction.

    Take a quick look at the U.C.C. and see what it says about an “auction with reserve.”

    2-328. Sale by Auction.
    (3) Such a sale is with reserve unless the goods are in explicit terms put up without reserve. In an auction with reserve the auctioneer may withdraw the goods at any time until he announces completion of the sale.

    You will note that the U.C.C. does not say anything about an item having a reserved minimum, nor does it address items without a reserved minimum. Therefore, it is implied that any item may be withdrawn at any time prior to the call of “sold,” regardless of any other minimum or whether it even had a minimum. So, it is certainly legal.

    Now, one might ask why this section of the U.C.C. was drafted in this manner. To answer the question would require reading the history and opinions of those that drafted the document. However, since I’ve already read about such things, I’ll try to summarize those reasons to save everyone the time and effort.

    The primary reason was to protect the seller on a “bad day” (in case the “right bidders” were not in attendance) so that they would not be subjected to an unreasonable loss. Therefore, an auctioneer with the appropriate knowledge of an item and its value would still have the right to withdraw an item if it did not reach a reasonable price, whether the Seller specifically instructed him/her to do so or not.

    Now, to address the question of ethics – First, it should be noted that the auctioneer’s fiduciary (that’s a fancy, legal word for “primary”) duty is to the Seller. Would it be ethical for the auctioneer to sell their item for less than a “reasonable” value? Of course, “reasonable” is a relevant term (depending on the individual), but that should be an easy one to answer, especially if you put yourself in the Seller’s shoes and those were your goods being sold. By the same token, since the auctioneer is working for the Seller, if the Seller decides to withdraw an item, then the auctioneer has little choice but to abide by their wishes.

    Now, on a side note, the Seller should be aware of any contractual obligations that may be noted in their contract, as most auctioneers will include a “penalty for withdrawal” and the Seller may still be required to pay commissions or a fee for exercising their right of withdrawal.

    The auctioneer has no duty to the buyer (except equal fairness to all buyers present) or to sell an item at any price, just because someone bid on the item. After all, while the purpose of the auction is to put items up for competitive bidding, there is no guarantee that if you bid, you will win the item. If another bidder outbids you, you have still lost the desired item, just as if the Seller decides to withdraw it. In either case, there is no contract between you and the Seller, until the auctioneer announces a completion of the sale.

    So, when the issue of ethics arises, it is only subject to which side of the bargaining table you were seated and whether you were actually treated fairly, which is the only ethics consideration.

    As a buyer, you are at opposing interests with any seller, since you are wanting to get the lowest price and the seller wishes to obtain the highest price. The only time that you are not being treated fairly in this case, is if the seller favors another offer over yours, based on factors other than receiving the highest price. Therefore, as the Seller’s agent, the Auctioneer was most likely treating you ethically and also complying with the wishes of his/her fiduciary, the Seller.

    Now, I would emphasize that such withdrawals in an auction should be minimal, in most cases. After all, the lure of the auction holds the possibility that deals can be had at auction and in the hopes of retaining the buyers, the Seller should expect some items to sell for less than they might have hoped, yet they may also find that there will be many other items that will sell for more than expected. So, in the end, it all balances out.

    Of course, I’ve rarely heard a Seller complain about an item that brought a lot more than they expected. However, I’ve had a few that look at each item on the list and make note of their disappointment in those items that didn’t do as well as they hoped.

    The informed Seller will look at the bottom line to determine the success of their auction and basically disregard the individual price that each item brought.

    Auctioneer Bidding… Is it Legal?

    February 6, 2011

    The answer is…  YES…  er, NO…  well, It Depends!

    Since this type of question arises quite often from both sides of the aisle (bidders and sellers), it warrants being posted here. Below is one of the more recent responses I replied to and hopefully it will help everyone to understand this often misunderstood part of the law.

    neil Says:
    February 4, 2011 at 9:02 pm

    In an earlier response, you said, in reference to an auctioneer bidding on its own behalf, that “the MAJORITY of states allow an auctioneer to do so, IF it is DISCLOSED to the buyers that the auctioneer reserves the right to bid, whether it is on behalf of any minimums, reserves or for their own personal purchase.
    If such bidding has not been disclosed, then it is illegal.” I’m not disagreeing. I just want to know what the basis is for your statement that disclosure is required.

    While I’ve responded to similar questions in this blog on numerous occasions, I’ll give it another shot. I’m making a guess that you may have read the post Auction House Bidding & Selling which led to your question.

    First, I’ll clarify the statement “the MAJORITY of states“:
    I used this phrase as a sort of “disclaimer” because I know of one particular state (off the top of my head) that does not allow an auctioneer to bid for any reason. That state is Pennsylvania, although there could be another one or two that I’m not currently aware of, so it’s possible there could be others.

    Second, I must also clarify another of my previous statements to insure it’s not misinterpreted.
    An auctioneer may bid on behalf of the seller (i.e. to protect a minimum reserve) if such bidding is disclosed to the bidders.
    There is no such requirement of disclosure (in most states that I’m aware of and with the exception of PA, of course), if the auctioneer is only bidding for his/her own personal purchase. In such cases, they are just another bidder for the merchandise. [However, it’s just a good idea to include/disclose such things in your terms, just to help the bidders understand and keep the questioning to a minimum, whether the auctioneer is required to do so or not.]

    NOW to answer the question… “the basis for my statement that disclosure is required.”

    The statement is based on the fact that almost all of the 50 states, incorporated all or most of the Uniform Commercial Code (U.C.C.) Section 2-328 into their own Business and Commerce codes/laws. You can view that section of the U.C.C. at U.C.C. § 2-328. Sale by Auction

    You will note that (the first part of) Paragraph 4 states:

    (4) If the auctioneer knowingly receives a bid on the seller’s behalf or the seller makes or procures such a bid, and notice has not been given that liberty for such bidding is reserved,

    Now, keep in mind… you have to think like a lawyer! In other words, you have to read that statement very carefully to determine what it is stating, as it’s written in sort of a “reverse logic“.

    The KEY STATEMENT is “and notice has not been given that liberty for such bidding is reserved“.

    Therefore, to reverse this statement into layman’s terms, it is stating that if an auctioneer receives a bid on the seller’s behalf, then they must first give notice that such liberty of bidding is being reserved to do so.

    OR more simply… Such bidding must be DISCLOSED (i.e. give notice) to the bidders, prior to doing so.

    Now, to take this one step further… there is no requirement for an auctioneer to disclose each individual bid being made on behalf of the seller (i.e. the actual act of such bidding at the time it is being done).

    There is also no requirement for the auctioneer to disclose whether or not a particular item has a minimum reserve.

    The only requirement is that the auctioneer must disclose that such bidding may take place during the course of the auction. This disclosure may be made during the opening announcements or it may be in the form of a written Terms & Conditions. So, bidders should read the Terms & Conditions and pay close attention to the opening statements. Bidders should also keep in mind, even if you were not present during the opening statements, when you bid at an auction, you have agreed to be bound by those terms even if you didn’t actually hear them spoken. So, it’s always a good idea to arrive early and listen closely.

    OH! One more thing… as I stated that most of the 50 states incorporated the U.C.C. into their laws, Louisiana did not incorporate the U.C.C. as written (they just used parts of it) and a few others have also modified the code to some extent. Since other states may have added additional requirements or modified their auction laws, check the laws of your own state and if you’re an auctioneer, you should already know what those laws are to begin with. In any case, if in doubt… Don’t bid or allow the seller to bid on their items and you’ll have nothing to worry about.

    Auction House Bidding & Selling

    March 16, 2009

    In the comments on the article Auction Laws in the U.S.A., a couple of great questions have been asked by Frank Ceresi. While I posted a response in the comments, I thought this would be a good topic and may generate its own comments and questions.

    Frank asks:
    Is it lawful for the principal owners of an auction house to consign items in their own live and/or internet auction?
    Is it lawful for the principals in an auction house to bid in their own live or internet auction?

    I’m not aware of anything unlawful with an auction house selling items they have purchased to resell. Why should it be? This is how most resellers operate in the first place, from flea markets to major department stores, whether they sell used or new goods. I wouldn’t understand why anyone would consider this to be an unacceptable practice. The auction house purchases items and sells them to the highest bidder. This is the purest form of capitalism and free enterprise. After all, companies sell their own stocks and commodities by auction everyday, through the New York Stock Exchange.

    Now, the second question requires a little clarification. Of course, while the laws can vary from state to state, I would also recommend that you carefully read the laws for your particular state to determine any variances from most other state laws. So, keep in mind, my following comments are for majority of state laws, but there could be the possibility of a few states that may indicate otherwise. Keep in mind, at auction, the buyer must perform their own due diligence and know the laws, as well as the terms of the auction.

    In most states, the seller or their agent (which can certainly include the auctioneer) may be allowed to bid on behalf of any minimum reserve prices set by the seller, as long as “SUCH BIDDING IS DISCLOSED” to the bidders. This is also the primary difference between “shilling” and “protecting the reserve”.

    There are basically two ways to “protect the reserve”. One method method is to “Pass” the item, if it does not meet the reserve. The other is “bidding on behalf of the reserve” and may only be done if DISCLOSED to the bidders (note the emphasis). Some auctioneers may also use a consignor bidder number or “house number”, in such cases that the reserve is not met, to keep things flowing smoother and allows for tracking during settlement of the auction.

    The key point is “DISCLOSURE”. If the auctioneer has not disclosed that such bidding may be allowed, then it would be considered “shilling” and would be considered fraudulent bidding.

    This disclosure may be in the form of written “Terms and Conditions” which may be posted or otherwise made available to the bidders, or may be statements made during the “Opening Statements” of the auction, which is why it is always a good idea to be present at the beginning of an auction and listen closely to everything the auctioneer says, at that time. If you arrive late, you are still bound by those oral statements, even though you may not have actually heard them being made. This falls under the same basis as you’ve probably heard before, concerning your responsibilities to know the law prior to any actions you take… “ignorance is no excuse”. So, if they have written terms and conditions, you should read them carefully, in their entirety. However, there is no requirement that the terms must be written. For that matter, the auctioneer is also allowed to set forth the conditions of each sale, as each item is being offered, which may also superceed any previous statements made or modify the terms for that particular sale.

    It should also be noted that the auctioneer is not required to state whether any item has a reserve or not, much less how much the minimum reserve price may be for any item. In fact, at most auctions, any reserve is kept secret and is not disclosed. There are several reasons for this and experience has certainly born out a couple of those most prominently… one is that it “sets a maximum price in the mind of the buyer” and we all know that an item is worth what the highest bidder is willing to pay on a particular day.

    This is not to say that the item may not bring more on a different day, with different buyers and the seller is not required to sell their item for less than they are willing to accept. This goes back to the definition of “Fair Market Value” which is “the price a willing buyer and willing seller agree on”. Therefore, this is the basis of the “reserved minimum” which must be met, before the seller agrees to sell.

    Another reason why most auctioneers don’t disclose reserves, is due to another element of human nature… if the minimum amount is disclosed, most won’t even offer a starting bid at the reserve price. It’s as though they automatically deem the price to be “too high”. (Of course, then there are those that don’t understand auction laws and think everything has to sell regardless of price and think that if it starts lower, they might get it anyway.) However, from experience, if the item has a “reasonable” reserve, the bidders will usually meet or exceed it, if there are two or more truly interested bidders and they are allowed to start the bidding where ever they wish and bid accordingly. Of course, if there is only one interested bidder, the seller’s agent may bid against them until it reaches the reserve (if such bidding was properly DISCLOSED, as discussed above).

    Of course, if you have attended auctions, you also know that you may set your own price prior to bidding, only to find yourself bidding more than you initially intended, as you felt it was worth more than you hoped someone else would pay.

    Unfortunately, one of the myths that many people have about auctions, is that “everything must sell regardless of price” and they go looking for a “steal of a deal”. While there are often plenty of great deals to be had, there is no requirement that everything must be sold regardless of price. The U.C.C. states that “all auctions are considered to be WITH Reserve, UNLESS stated to be Absolute”. Therefore, the auctioneer may still cancel the sale of any item prior to announcing ’sold’, if he/she feels that the item has not met a reasonable value, even if it does not have a minimum reserve price. However, the ethical auctioneer would not bid against you in such cases (since there is no specific reserve), but only ‘Pass’ the item if a reasonable value was not reached.

    Can I be Sued over an eBay Auction?

    July 17, 2008

    One of the great features of the Weblog is, you can see search terms that people use, to find your blog. While this is not a blog about online auctions, and since there are plenty of those all over the web, I don’t plan on this becoming another one of those. However, this seemed to be a fitting subject, regardless of the type of auction.

    Of course, the short answer to the question is YES. Why, of course you can. Especially in today’s litigious society, where people sue anyone for anything at the drop of the hat, or should I say, hot coffee spilled in your lap, as one seeks to blame the restaurant for serving coffee that’s “too hot” and causing light scalding on their leg when the clumsy individual caused the injury to themselves. Why do people always seek to blame others for their own faults? Money and greed are usually the culprits that answer that question.

    However, if someone does cause real problems and losses to someone else and the individual at fault refuses to provide relief to the damaged party, then that was the intention of providing legal recourse for addressing the situation. I don’t think it was ever meant to be used by crooks to sue the victims for hurting them when catching the crook in the commission of a crime or other silly actions that should never waste our taxpayer’s dollars to misuse our legal system.

    So, I have to wonder, what did this person do to have someone consider bringing a lawsuit against them? We continually hear of the seller’s that scam buyers and buyers that scam the sellers. There are also those that think they can run an eBay style auction and claim “as-is, where-is” and be absolved of all legal responsibility for what they represented. While Live Auctioneers also use those terms, at least the buyer can see what they are buying and determine their own suitability. But that may not even be a viable defense if the auctioneer made a specific claim about an item.

    I had a friend that bought a motorcycle on eBay from a seller in a different state (well over 1000 miles away). When he received a box of junk parts, he contacted the seller and the battle was started, as the seller claimed it was all there in the box. Well, this certainly wasn’t what was envisioned from the description and the seller wanted to make things difficult, so my friend found a lawyer in the seller’s home state and filed suit. Now, that’s the bad part, as you normally have to file suit in the other person’s jurisdiction, at least in most cases (there are exceptions, like when it’s spelled out in a specific contract, for one). Of course, now the seller wants to try to negotiate and refund his money. Well, this is likely to cost the seller a whole lot more than he was going to make on the scam, as my friend is going to pursue him in court, even though it means he will have to take off work and travel over 1000 miles when it’s scheduled for a court date. I’m sure he’ll be seeking reimbursement for those costs, as well, not to mention his lawyer’s fees.

    The best way to avoid a lawsuit is to be as honest as you can, with those you deal with. While it’s no guarantee that someone won’t find something as a perceived wrong and try to sue you, it should lessen your chances.

    No Warranty Or Guarantees at Auction, EXCEPT…

    June 2, 2008

    I was presented the following scenario in the comments here

    Here’s a basic summary of the comments:
    I was recently duped into buying a painting supposedly from a valuable artist only to find out later that it was not. In this case, the auctioneer’s homepage posted all the items for sale and had the artist’s name and year the painting was done. The day of the sale, he said that he was told by a colleague that it was probably the work of the artist in question.

    When a buyer attends an auction, there are “Terms & Conditions” that the Auctioneer usually gives at the beginning, although they may also be posted in written form. In most cases, these Terms & Conditions have a statement such as, “All items are being sold “As-Is, Where-Is, with No Warranties or Guarantees Expressed or Implied.”

    Many Auctioneers think this gets them “off the hook” in case there is something wrong with the item, as buyers are also told to look things over and know what they’re bidding on. So, in this context, it appears that it rests solely with the buyer’s own judgment. And it Does… UNLESS, the Auctioneer makes a statement of the items’ condition, authenticity, value or other similar statement. Now, I know that there are some Auctioneers that may try to argue this point, but those are the ones that may find out the hard way… in front of a judge.

    As long as the Auctioneer says, “I’m selling this nice painting of a farm house by a lake” and you can see that it is just that, but you know there’s a small rip in the painting, then it is up to your judgment of value for this painting. Caveat Emptor, as the saying goes or “Let the Buyer Beware”, which means it is solely up to your own knowledge and judgment. If you didn’t notice the rip, and you’re the high bidder, it’s still YOURS, when the Auctioneer calls “SOLD.”

    But, what if it was a print and not a painting? What if the Auctioneer said it was by a particular artist and it wasn’t?

    My first question is, “Was the Auctioneer kidding around?”, as we all know that most Auctioneers may use a bit of tongue-in-cheek humor to entertain, as well as sell stuff. This would certainly be a gray area and may depend on the reaction of the crowd. After all, if it was picture of a mallard swimming on the lake and the Auctioneer referred to it as a Walt Disney Painting of Donald Duck, then it probably wouldn’t change anything… Yes, I know that’s the extreme, but more subtle forms of humor and conjecture may also be used and if most of the crowd knows better, then it may still be hard to hold him to his word.

    However, if you are bidding on something that has been held out to be much more valuable than it actually is, and the Auctioneer knowingly or not, tells you that it is “likely a Picasso”, then he may have a lot more problems trying to convince a judge that he was just “kidding around”.

    If the auctioneer states “I have a Picasso”, then it may be assumed to be genuine. However, if he says, “I have a painting that is signed Picasso”, then it is up to the bidder to determine if it is real, as he has not claimed it to be genuine. However, the wording of a statement can be difficult to ascertain what he may be implying. If in doubt, stop the auctioneer and ask… “Is this a genuine Picasso?”

    To state that a “colleague said that it was probably the work of the artist in question”, does not relieve the auctioneer from his obligation, as he is an agent of the seller. So, if the “seller” misrepresented the item, it may still be an invalid sale. To state “probably” is not necessarily a good defense for the auctioneer, as it may still be considered a misleading statement. I know that if I heard an auctioneer say “probably”, I am going to consider that it was not verified and unless I know that, it IS what it’s supposed to be, then I’m not going to bid very much (if I bid at all). But, that is not to say that you were not misled into thinking that it was an original… so, the actual wording of his statements may actually determine his liability.

    However, if the auctioneer stated something like, “A colleague said that it was probably the work of the artist in question, but I can not guarantee it, so please bid accordingly“, then he has basically left it to the bidders to decide for themselves, as to its’ authenticity. If I made such a claim, I would make sure everyone heard me, by repeating the “no guarantee… bid accordingly” and I may also add “I have not verified this”, just to make sure there was no misunderstanding by the bidders. It’s not unusual for a seller to bring something to auction, who is also misinformed about their goods. Often, the auctioneer is only repeating what he has been told by the seller, however it still makes both, the seller and the auctioneer responsible, should the item not be as the seller believed. This doesn’t make them bad people, just misinformed… but the seller should still be held to his claim. However, if either KNEW it was a fake, then it is a serious offense, as that gets into fraud and may be a criminal offense.

    As I previously pointed out, sometimes, it’s all in the way it is said and some bidders will try to use the line, “but I thought he said…”

    In these types of cases, it doesn’t matter what you thought he said, as it is each individual’s own responsibility for determining the authenticity and to pay close attention to the Auctioneer. If you only heard the part when he said “Picasso”, if you aren’t sure, then you should stop him and ask for clarification before bidding.

    Now, back to the original comment that was left. This Auctioneer posted this picture on his website and put the “Author’s Name” under it. This could clearly indicate to the consumer that he is claiming it to be authentic. Since this Auctioneer went on to say that “a colleague said that it was probably the work of the artist in question” is only putting additional authenticity to what was already published and he may actually be considered to be holding this out to be authentic. To put the “question” on the end of the statement may not get him off the hook in this case, without further statements to make clear that he is not sure of the authenticity that was previously claimed on the website. If I had an interest in this item, I certainly would have stopped the Auctioneer and questioned his “appraisal” of the painting. If he continues to assert that it is was probably authentic, then he would likely be held to a guarantee that he has just expressed, otherwise he may be found to have violated FTC laws for fraud.

    U.S. Auctioneer State Auction Laws

    May 2, 2008

    I’ve noticed a lot of people searching for State Auction Laws & Auctioneer Laws. Now, you can find all the auction laws listed on this site, as I just added a New Page to the Auction Law Weblog. You will find links to the respective state government websites with information about Auctioneer Licensing requirements and associated Auction Laws, as available for every U.S. State, as of May 1, 2008.

    This took hours of research to draft this information, so I hope you find it useful. You will notice the link on your upper right side under “Pages“. To get back to this weblog, just click on the Auction Law Weblog banner at the top of the web page.

    There use to be a link to the Florida Auctioneer Academy website shown here, which provided similar links. But, I found the webpage to be outdated with a lot of dead links and missing a lot of states that have information available on the internet, so I have removed the link and developed this New Page on State Auction Laws & Auctioneer License Requirements. So, this should be the most up-to-date Auction information available (at least, today).

    HOWEVER, I must include the usual Disclaimers for those that try to act like lawyers or expect everyone to get everything exactly right or try filing complaints and lawsuits!! This is not considered to be legal advice in any manner, shape or form, nor do I claim to provide correct and accurate information. While I’ve tried to find the most up-to-date information available, I can not guarantee the accuracy of any information, links or any other thing. It is the responsibility of each individual to contact the appropriate government offices in your own state to determine all business requirements and consult with an attorney for legal advice. As usual, this website is for general informational purposes only and links may not be updated on a regular basis, so I can not and will not take blame if the information has changed in any form, because this is not intended to be complete, nor considered to be legal advice. In fact, you will probably find that there is a lot more information required to make any determination of suitability of your situation and you should consult an attorney first, before assuming anything based on your own interpretations of any laws or regulations, much less anything you find on this web site. WHEW! I hope I covered all the disclaimers needed… just in case, USE THIS WEBSITE WITH CAUTION!!! OTHERWISE, YOU CAN PAY A LAWYER OR SPEND THE TIME TO LOOK IT UP FOR YOURSELF AND TAKE YOUR OWN CHANCES! I’m just trying to be helpful and save you a little effort.

    So, if you find any errors, recent changes or additional information, let me know and I’ll try to update the page as quickly as possible.

    Fiduciary Duty of an Auctioneer

    November 15, 2007

    An auctioneer’s fiduciary duty is to the seller. This means the auctioneer is an agent for the seller and must act in the best interests of the seller.

    This falls back on the basis of general law, widely accepted in all courts of law throughout the U.S.:
    (1) “Fiduciary” means an agent, trustee, partner, corporate officer or director, or other representative owing a fiduciary duty with respect to an instrument (i.e. “contract”).
    (2) “Represented person” means the principal, beneficiary, partnership, corporation, or other person to whom the duty stated in subdivision (1) is owed.

    In addition, the field of real estate is usually quoted in many examples because they are basically the only industry that allows for “dual agency”. However, to completely understand this “agency”, you must understand that the Broker has ultimate responsibility for all transactions by any salespersons working under the supervision of the Broker’s license, therefore the actual Broker is undertaking the role of dual agency (not the individual salespersons, as I will explain). In other words, the Broker can not be a direct party in the transaction (in any way and must remain neutral, or without specific directions to either salesperson) and will appoint two different salespersons to work for the seller and the buyer, since an individual agent cannot represent a fiduciary to both. On the same basis of law, if a RE salesperson has not specifically contracted to act as a buyer’s agent, then it is automatically assumed that the salesperson is acting on behalf of the seller, therefore is the fiduciary only for the seller.

    To support that last statement, the Federal Trade Commission (FTC) speaks of this in numerous publications, one of which is:
    Fiduciaries are held to a higher standard under common law. Upon visiting, for example, a store, a consumer does not expect, or have any right to expect, the store’s salesperson to be looking out for the consumer’s best interest. But in hiring a trusted lawyer or real estate agent or investment trust company (you may also add “auctioneer”) to act for him, a client expects full fiduciary responsibility, including undivided loyalty, with no undisclosed conflicts of interest. Consumers are more easily misled when, as clients, not just customers, they are giving their trust to their own professional fiduciary.

    In addition, you can find additional commentary on the basis of fiduciary duties at:
    Conflict of duty and duty
    A fiduciary’s duty must not conflict with another fiduciary duty. Conflicts between one fiduciary duty and another fiduciary duty arise most often when a lawyer or an agent, such as a real estate agent (also add “auctioneer”), represent more than one client, and the interests of those clients conflict. This usually occurs when a lawyer attempts to represent both the plaintiff and the defendant in the same matter, for example. The rule comes from the logical conclusion that a fiduciary cannot make the principal’s interests a top priority if he has two principals and their interests are diametrically opposed; he must balance the interests, which is not acceptable to equity. Therefore, the conflict of duty and duty rule is really an extension of the conflict of interest and duty rules.”

    Also see:

    In other words, as a sole individual/entity, you can not have a conflict of fiduciary duties between the parties, or you are subject to a dereliction of duty to one or both parties. Therefore, under the basis of general law, it basically means that when an auctioneer signs a contract with a seller (the principal), the auctioneer has a fiduciary duty to the seller to act as their primary agent on their behalf and in their best interests or “as they would act”.

    Now, this does not mean that if the seller misrepresents something, that the auctioneer doesn’t have a “duty” to the buyer to correct the problem. However, the auctioneer and the seller are both responsible for providing a reasonable duty to provide said goods in the condition stated for the agreed upon price/trade, as this falls under the Fair Trade Agreement statutes (that you can also search for under the FTC’s website). However, this does not create a fiduciary duty to the buyer, but only serves to treat the buyer fairly under the FTC’s Fair Trade Agreement.

    The primary point is regarding the auctioneer’s fiduciary duty to act on behalf of the seller. The difference between the Fair Trade Act regarding buyers and fiduciary duty to the client (seller) is the same, regardless of whether it is a real estate transaction or the sale of any other type of property.

    A Fiduciary can not represent two different parties with opposing intents. The primary fiduciary is to the client that has contracted the auctioneer to sell (act on their behalf for the sale of) their goods.

    Some have attempted to imply that the Terms and Conditions of Sale implies a fiduciary duty. This is not the case, as the FTC’s Fair Trade Act specifically demonstrates that it is only an agreement for the terms of the sale and creates no other duty upon the seller (or their agent) as a representative of the buyer, as they are opposing parties until the final agreement has been reached. The Terms & Conditions (terms of their agreement) for an auction are only the conditions of finalizing the transaction, which both, the buyer and the auctioneer (seller’s fiduciary agent) are agreeing to as part of the sale, with only price being the final factor and determined upon the call of “Sold”. Therefore, the auctioneer has only “perfected a sales agreement” (that’s how a lawyer would state it) with the buyer on behalf of the seller (the principal fiduciary).

    IRS Tax Refund? WOW! I Don’t Think So…

    October 9, 2007

    OK… while this is a little off-topic for this weblog, I couldn’t resist! The following is a spam phishing scheme that got into my inbox. Besides the fact that I knew it was fake because the IRS isn’t going to contact me through this email address, there were a couple of other minor things to indicate that something wasn’t quite right… like the url in the “click here” was not the IRS website! (unless they’ve moved their offices to .ru <which I believe is Russia?> – I removed the url to protect anyone from accidentally clicking on it) See if you can spot the other one…

    After the last annual calculations of your fiscal activity we have determined that
    you are eligible to receive a tax refund of $268.32.
    Please submit the tax refund request and allow us 2-3 days in order to
    process it.

    A refund can be delayed for a variety of reasons.
    For example submitting invalid records or applying after the deadline.

    To access the form for your tax refund, please click here

    Note: For security reasons, we will record your ip-address, the date and time.
    Deliberate wrong inputs are criminally pursued and indicated.

    Internal Revenue Service

    Yep! That’s right… You could be INDICATED! I think the sender should be INDICTED for stupidity, as this only INDICATED to me that the sender is also illiterate!! While I found this amusing, I also realize that there are a lot of other folks that will fall for this scheme, which is not so amusing. We hear about Identity Theft a lot these days… this is one example of Why It Happens! Out of excitement, greed or just plain ignorance, someone clicks the link and provides this scammer with all of their personal information and their bank account info (for the “IRS” to deposit their “refund”) and in only a few days or weeks they find their bank account empty and possibly new credit cards issued in their name with charges on them for all kinds of stuff. Not only are they robbed, but now they spend a lot of time and effort trying to clear their name and credit.

    If you get ANYTHING that you didn’t specifically request in your Inbox… DELETE IT, IMMEDIATELY!! If you OPEN it and THINK it might be real… DON’T click the link provided. Instead, Google the REAL website and look for information about the subject… OR check out for information about all kinds of scams. They also cover all those other fake emails that tell you to “pass it on to all your friends” (please don’t send them to me, as I’ve already seen most of them and deleted them without bothering my friends). If it’s been on the web, probably has the facts about it… bookmark the site and use it often!!

    Ebay Class Action Lawsuit?

    September 25, 2007

    This was found in my Weblog Spam folder. While it may be a valid question, the fact that it originated from an Australian server and the guy is in New Jersey is probably why it got tagged. However, I also found it a little suspicious that his website has a link to Mr. Auction Vendetta’s blog (maybe a friend??? who knows). It’s been four days since a sent this guy an email and have receive no response.

    Anyway, here’s his question/comment, followed by my reply.

    I came across your website as I am fascinated with auction law and the auction process. I used to sell on Ebay. Since you are into electronics, you may find this fascinating and ripe for a class action lawsuit. Ebay claims they list items for 3, 5, 7, or ten days, but in fact this is not accurate. When a user posts an item, it takes upwards of 4 hours for the item to be found on the auction site. Thus a 3 day auction is really more like a 2 day and 20 hour auction.

    Is is possible to be updated as to your new blog posts? Also, as an auctioneer, besides Ebay, would you be able to recommend any good dealers of Star Wars collectibles?


    —My reply—


    Your post in the Auction Law blog was detected as “spam”. I am assuming that it is because the IP you were logged in under was in Australia (part of the Asia Pacific Network, which has a high rate of spammers). Looking at your website, it appears that the phone number is in New Jersey. So, I guess I’m a little confused, unless you’re using one of the random identity servers.

    To get updates, if you are logged into WordPress/Weblog, you will find a “Blog Info” button in the top right corner and you can just click “Subscribe to Blog”. You can also use an rss reader.

    I don’t do much on Ebay, except buying occasionally. I’ve listed a few items over the last 10 years, but I’ll usually sell my items through a live auction. Most items tend to do as well, if not better than on Ebay. Of course, there are the exceptions.

    As far as my electronics background… while I still find myself fixing my own computers when I have to, I’m trying to forget as much as I can about it. That is my past and while it was a good career, it’s not what I do today. Your idea of a lawsuit based on Ebay‘s posting criteria… I would recommend talking to a lawyer. However, I personally don’t think it would have much of a chance of winning. Keep in mind, it says “days”, not “hours” (you’ve got to think about how a lawyer can rationalize it). So, if it was posted on a particular day, given a “reasonable” period of time for the computers to respond to the massive amounts of data that are being submitted, the listings are still posted for the “stated number of days”. It’s kind of like waking up at 5:00AM or 8:00AM… in the evening, you look back and you still had “your day”. (OK, maybe that isn’t the greatest explanation, but you get the idea.) Anyway… like I said, you would probably want to talk to a lawyer. There’s always one somewhere that will take on just about anything. (I’ve got two in my family.)

    Finally… STAR WARS!!!! Sheesh… You already missed it! In the past few months, we have done two auctions with lots of Star Wars (& some Star Trek) collectibles. It’s not something we do regularly… we just happened to have two large consignments come in. Of course, we get stuff like that off & on, but not normally enough to feature an auction. But, then again, it would be a long trip from New Jersey… and one of the reasons I don’t do much on Ebay is I don’t care for the packing and mailing. At least, at a live auction, they just carry it out after they’ve paid for it.

    You can also find live auctions listed on and search for items you’re interested in.